Twenty-five micrometer thick GaN was grown with hydride vapor phase epitaxy (HVPE) on metal-organic chemical vapor deposition (MOCVD) grown templates on sapphire substrates with the gallium treatment step (GTS) technique with varying buffer layer thickness. The samples are studied with atomic force microscopy (AFM), etching and scanning electron microscopy (SEM), photo-luminescence (PL), X-ray diffraction (XRD) and optical microscopy. The results show that the thickness of the buffer layer is not important for the layer quality once the growth in MOCVD starts to make the transition from 3D growth to 2D growth and HVPE continues in the same growth mode. We show that the MOCVD templates with GTS technique make excellent templates for HVPE growth, allowing growth of 100-300 mu m GaN without cracks in either sapphire or GaN. (c) 2006 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.